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 Only Very Late Afternoon Sun Provides Illumination On the North Side and Front of Montana Hall   “ Huge and strange gables over old dark-brown brick. A beautiful building, really. The only one that really seems to belong here.“   Montana Hall, Montana State University,  Bozeman MT The sky was very clear and dark blue the day I was at MSUB, so I waited as long as I could for this shot.   ************************************  (Photo = 108-0846c ...... ZMM Page = ...... WayPt = 205w)
Only Very Late Afternoon Sun Provides Illumination On the North Side and Front of Montana Hall
Huge and strange gables over old dark-brown brick. A beautiful building, really. The only one that really seems to belong here.
Montana Hall, Montana State University, Bozeman MT The sky was very clear and dark blue the day I was at MSUB, so I waited as long as I could for this shot.
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 As Stated By the Narrator, Indeed Stone Steps Lead to the Front Door. Note Stone Trim Other Places on the Building   “Old stone stairway up to the doors. Stairs cupped by wear from millions of footsteps. .. "Why are we going inside?" .. "Shh. Just don’t say anything now." .. I open the great heavy outside door and enter.“   Montana Hall, Montana State University,  Bozeman MT   ************************************  (Photo = 108-0846cz2.0 ...... ZMM Page = ...... WayPt = 205w)
As Stated By the Narrator, Indeed Stone Steps Lead to the Front Door. Note Stone Trim Other Places on the Building
Old stone stairway up to the doors. Stairs cupped by wear from millions of footsteps. .. "Why are we going inside?" .. "Shh. Just don’t say anything now." .. I open the great heavy outside door and enter.
Montana Hall, Montana State University, Bozeman MT
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Creaky Wooden Steps All the Way To the Third Floor   “Inside are more stairs, worn and wooden. They creak underfoot and smell of a hundred years of sweeping and waxing. Halfway up I stop and listen. There’s no sound at all. .. Chris whispers, "Why are we here?" .. I just shake my head. I hear a car go by outside. .. Chris whispers, "I don’t like it here. It’s scary in here." .. "Go outside then," I say. .. "You come too." .. "Later“   Montana Hall, Montana State University,  Bozeman MT   ************************************  (Photo = 108-0827r ...... ZMM Page = 157 ...... WayPt = 203w)
Creaky Wooden Steps All the Way To the Third Floor
“Inside are more stairs, worn and wooden. They creak underfoot and smell of a hundred years of sweeping and waxing. Halfway up I stop and listen. There’s no sound at all. .. Chris whispers, "Why are we here?" .. I just shake my head. I hear a car go by outside. .. Chris whispers, "I don’t like it here. It’s scary in here." .. "Go outside then," I say. .. "You come too." .. "Later“
Montana Hall, Montana State University, Bozeman MT
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Yes, Sort of a Scary Place!   “"No, now." He looks at me and sees I’m staying. His look is so frightened I’m about to change my mind, but then suddenly his expression breaks and he turns and runs down the stairs and out the door before I can follow him.“   Montana Hall, Montana State University,  Bozeman MT   ************************************  (Photo = 108-0828r ...... ZMM Page = 157 ...... WayPt = 203w)
Yes, Sort of a Scary Place!
"No, now." He looks at me and sees I’m staying. His look is so frightened I’m about to change my mind, but then suddenly his expression breaks and he turns and runs down the stairs and out the door before I can follow him.
Montana Hall, Montana State University, Bozeman MT
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The Windows and Balustrades Do Kind Have a Sort of Rhythm But Also a Prison Look!   “The big heavy door closes down below, and I’m all alone here now. I listen for some sound -- .Of whom? -- Of him? -- I listen for a long time -- . .. The floorboards have an eerie creek as I move down the corridor and they are accompanied by an eerie thought that it is him. In this place he is the reality and I am the ghost. On one of the classroom doorknobs I see his hand rest for a moment, then slowly turn the knob, then push the door open.“   Montana Hall, Montana State University,  Bozeman MT   ************************************  (Photo = 108-0830r ...... ZMM Page = 157 ...... WayPt = 203w)
The Windows and Balustrades Do Kind Have a Sort of Rhythm But Also a Prison Look!
The big heavy door closes down below, and I’m all alone here now. I listen for some sound -- .Of whom? -- Of him? -- I listen for a long time -- . .. The floorboards have an eerie creek as I move down the corridor and they are accompanied by an eerie thought that it is him. In this place he is the reality and I am the ghost. On one of the classroom doorknobs I see his hand rest for a moment, then slowly turn the knob, then push the door open.
Montana Hall, Montana State University, Bozeman MT
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This Workroom Is Now One of the Few Windows Where the ZMM Pilgrim Can, Yes Indeed Over a Radiator, Look Out the Window to the Same Mountains the Narrator Saw From His Classroom.   “The room inside is waiting, exactly as remembered, as if he were here now. He is here now. He’s aware of everything I see. Everything jumps forth and vibrates with recall. .. The long dark-green chalkboards on either side are flaked and in need of repair, just as they were. The chalk, never any chalk except little stubs in the trough, is still here. Beyond the blackboard are the windows and through them are the mountains he watched, meditatively, on days when the students were writing. He would sit by the radiator with a stub of chalk in one hand and stare out the window at the mountains, interrupted, occasionally, by a student who asked, "Do we have to do -- ? …..“   Montana Hall, Montana State University,  Bozeman MT   ************************************  (Photo = 108-0836r ...... ZMM Page = 157 ...... WayPt = 203w)
This Workroom Is Now One of the Few Windows Where the ZMM Pilgrim Can, Yes Indeed Over a Radiator, Look Out the Window to the Same Mountains the Narrator Saw From His Classroom.
The room inside is waiting, exactly as remembered, as if he were here now. He is here now. He’s aware of everything I see. Everything jumps forth and vibrates with recall. .. The long dark-green chalkboards on either side are flaked and in need of repair, just as they were. The chalk, never any chalk except little stubs in the trough, is still here. Beyond the blackboard are the windows and through them are the mountains he watched, meditatively, on days when the students were writing. He would sit by the radiator with a stub of chalk in one hand and stare out the window at the mountains, interrupted, occasionally, by a student who asked, "Do we have to do -- ? …..
Montana Hall, Montana State University, Bozeman MT
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Huge Iron Rods, Reaching From Basement To Attic, Support the, Well Varnished, Heavy Wooden Stairs.  “ This was a place where he was received...as himself. Not as what he could be or should be but as himself. A place all receptive...listening. He gave everything to it. This wasn’t one room, this was a thousand rooms, changing each day with the storms and snows and patterns of clouds on the mountains, with each class, and even with each student. No two hours were ever alike, and it was always a mystery to him what the next one would bring “  Montana Hall, Montana State University, .Bozeman, MT. About twelve years after ZMM was published, the Montana hall Classrooms all were converted to university administrative offices. To see photographs of the Narrator’s old classroom, go to Detour in new browser frame for http://home.att.net/~wagtail/D6.htm  ************************************  (Photo = 108-0829r ...... ZMM Page = 157 ...... WayPt = 203`|y|' 4900ft)
Huge Iron Rods, Reaching From Basement To Attic, Support the, Well Varnished, Heavy Wooden Stairs.
This was a place where he was received...as himself. Not as what he could be or should be but as himself. A place all receptive...listening. He gave everything to it. This wasn’t one room, this was a thousand rooms, changing each day with the storms and snows and patterns of clouds on the mountains, with each class, and even with each student. No two hours were ever alike, and it was always a mystery to him what the next one would bring
Montana Hall, Montana State University, .Bozeman, MT. About twelve years after ZMM was published, the Montana hall Classrooms all were converted to university administrative offices. To see photographs of the Narrator’s old classroom, go to Detour in new browser frame for http://home.att.net/~wagtail/D6.htm
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You Must Imagine This Painting, High On the Wall, of the Narrator’s Old Cramped Dingy Office: The Church of the Minorites by Lyonel Feininger.  “ On the way out I open one more door, compulsively. There on the wall I see something which sends a spine-tingling feeling along my neck It’s a painting. I’ve had no recollection of it but now I know he bought it and put it there. And suddenly I know it’s not a painting, it’s a print of a painting he ordered from New York and which DeWeese had frowned at because it was a print and prints are of art and not art themselves, a distinction he didn’t recognize at the time. But the print, Feininger’s "Church of the Minorites," had an appeal to him that was irrelevant to the art in that its subject, a kind of Gothic cathedral, created from semiabstract lines and planes and colors and shades, seemed to reflect his mind’s vision of the Church of Reason and that was why he’d put it here. All this comes back now. This was his office. A find. This is the room I am looking for!“  Montana Hall, Montana State University, .Bozeman, MT. This painting (the original) is found at The Walker Art Center, just west of downtown Minneapolis. Painting credit line: Lyonel Feininger, Barfüsserkirche II (Church of the Minorites II), 1926, oil on canvas, 43-1/2 x 37-1/2 x 2-1/2" framed, Collection Walker Art Center, Minneapolis; Gift of the T. B. Walker Foundation, Gilbert M. Walker Fund, 1943. © Copy Write. Permission to reproduce on ZMMquality.org is granted by The Walker Art Center.  ************************************  (Photo = Walker Art Gallery wac_116e.jpg ...... ZMM Page = 160 ...... WyPt = -018`|e|' 0830ft)
You Must Imagine This Painting, High On the Wall, of the Narrator’s Old Cramped Dingy Office: The Church of the Minorites by Lyonel Feininger.
On the way out I open one more door, compulsively. There on the wall I see something which sends a spine-tingling feeling along my neck It’s a painting. I’ve had no recollection of it but now I know he bought it and put it there. And suddenly I know it’s not a painting, it’s a print of a painting he ordered from New York and which DeWeese had frowned at because it was a print and prints are of art and not art themselves, a distinction he didn’t recognize at the time. But the print, Feininger’s "Church of the Minorites," had an appeal to him that was irrelevant to the art in that its subject, a kind of Gothic cathedral, created from semiabstract lines and planes and colors and shades, seemed to reflect his mind’s vision of the Church of Reason and that was why he’d put it here. All this comes back now. This was his office. A find. This is the room I am looking for!
Montana Hall, Montana State University, .Bozeman, MT. This painting (the original) is found at The Walker Art Center, just west of downtown Minneapolis. Painting credit line: Lyonel Feininger, Barfüsserkirche II (Church of the Minorites II), 1926, oil on canvas, 43-1/2 x 37-1/2 x 2-1/2" framed, Collection Walker Art Center, Minneapolis; Gift of the T. B. Walker Foundation, Gilbert M. Walker Fund, 1943. © Copy Write. Permission to reproduce on ZMMquality.org is granted by The Walker Art Center.
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A Peek Out This Third Floor Fire Escape Door Reveals the Narrator’s Madison Mountain Range in the Distance.  “[This was his office. A find. This is the room I am looking for!] I step inside and an avalanche of memory, loosened by the jolt of the [Church of the Minorites] print, begins to come down. The light on the print comes from a miserable cramped window in the adjacent wall through which he looked out onto and across the valley onto the Madison Range and watched the storms come in and while watching this valley before me now through this window here, now—started the whole thing, the whole madness, right here! This is the exact spot!“  Montana Hall, Montana State University, .Bozeman, MT. This workroom is probably very close to the location of the Narrator’s old office. However, due to Building Renovations the third floor has been entirely changed so it is not easy to recognize where the old professor’s offices may have been. So I was overjoyed when Terry Dysart, of the MSU Planning and Analysis Dept emailed to say that she though it was so neat that her office in Montana Hall (Room 318) was the Narrator's old office!!! Contact Terry at 406-944-1649, or tdysart@montana.edu for permission to come see this office.  ************************************  (Photo = 108-0833r ...... ZMM Page = 157 ...... WayPt = 203`|y|' 4900ft)
A Peek Out This Third Floor Fire Escape Door Reveals the Narrator’s Madison Mountain Range in the Distance.
[This was his office. A find. This is the room I am looking for!] I step inside and an avalanche of memory, loosened by the jolt of the [Church of the Minorites] print, begins to come down. The light on the print comes from a miserable cramped window in the adjacent wall through which he looked out onto and across the valley onto the Madison Range and watched the storms come in and while watching this valley before me now through this window here, now—started the whole thing, the whole madness, right here! This is the exact spot!
Montana Hall, Montana State University, .Bozeman, MT. This workroom is probably very close to the location of the Narrator’s old office. However, due to Building Renovations the third floor has been entirely changed so it is not easy to recognize where the old professor’s offices may have been. So I was overjoyed when Terry Dysart, of the MSU Planning and Analysis Dept emailed to say that she though it was so neat that her office in Montana Hall (Room 318) was the Narrator's old office!!! Contact Terry at 406-944-1649, or tdysart@montana.edu for permission to come see this office.
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Entrance to President's Office, MSUB.  Does Anyone Know Anything about Sara’s Old Office, Where Was It Located, or What It Looked Like?    “And that door leads to Sarah’s office. Sarah! Now it comes down! She came trotting by with her watering pot between those two doors, going from the corridor to her office, and she said, "I hope you are teaching Quality to your students." This in a la-de-da, singsong voice of a lady in her final year before retirement about to water her plants. That was the moment it all started. That was the seed crystal. …. The one sentence "I hope you are teaching Quality to your students" was said to him, and within a matter of a few months, growing so fast you could almost see it grow, came an enormous, intricate, highly structured mass of thought, formed as if by magic.“   Montana Hall, Montana State University,  Bozeman MTWhere was Sara’s office? Do you have access to an English Department floor plan? Do you have any old photographs, documents, publications (prior the building renovation). that show (even in the background, anything about Sarah, the English Department classrooms, the English Faculty or their offices, etc? If you can help, please contact me.New Topic: Above Picture shows entrance to MSUB President's Office. Mr. Pirsig said "I looked in there [Montana Hall] one year and found the President of the University sitting where my students used to be."  ************************************  ((Photo = 108-0832r ...... ZMM Page = 157 ...... WayPt = 203w)
Entrance to President's Office, MSUB.
Does Anyone Know Anything about Sara’s Old Office, Where Was It Located, or What It Looked Like?

And that door leads to Sarah’s office. Sarah! Now it comes down! She came trotting by with her watering pot between those two doors, going from the corridor to her office, and she said, "I hope you are teaching Quality to your students." This in a la-de-da, singsong voice of a lady in her final year before retirement about to water her plants. That was the moment it all started. That was the seed crystal. …. The one sentence "I hope you are teaching Quality to your students" was said to him, and within a matter of a few months, growing so fast you could almost see it grow, came an enormous, intricate, highly structured mass of thought, formed as if by magic.
Montana Hall, Montana State University, Bozeman MTWhere was Sara’s office? Do you have access to an English Department floor plan? Do you have any old photographs, documents, publications (prior the building renovation). that show (even in the background, anything about Sarah, the English Department classrooms, the English Faculty or their offices, etc? If you can help, please contact me.New Topic: Above Picture shows entrance to MSUB President's Office. Mr. Pirsig said "I looked in there [Montana Hall] one year and found the President of the University sitting where my students used to be."
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Flowers and Monument Announce Montana State University.  “A few days later when Sarah trotted by again she stopped and said, "I’m so happy you’re teaching Quality this quarter. Hardly anybody is these days."
"Well, I am," he said. "I’m definitely making a point of it."
"Good!" she said, and trotted on. .....Three hours of sleep and he was so tired he knew he wouldn’t be up to giving a lecture that day, and besides, his notes had never been completed, so he wrote on the blackboard: "Write a 350-word essay answering the question, What is quality in thought and statement?" Then he sat by the radiator while they wrote and thought about quality himself. ..... Quality—you know what it is, yet you don’t know what it is. But that’s self-contradictory. But some things are better than others, that is, they have more quality. But when you try to say what the quality is, apart from the things that have it, it all goes poof! There’s nothing to talk about. But if you can’t say what Quality is, how do you know what it is, or how do you know that it even exists? If no one knows what it is, then for all practical purposes it doesn’t exist at all. But for all practical purposes it really does exist. What else are the grades based on? Why else would people pay fortunes for some things and throw others in the trash pile? Obviously some things are better than others—but what’s the "betterness"? -- So round and round you go, spinning mental wheels and nowhere finding anyplace to get traction. What the hell is Quality? What is it?“  Southwest entrance, Montana State University, Bozeman, MT. END ZMM Part II. ************************************  (Photo = 108-0825 ...... ZMM Page = 163 & End Chapter 15 & End Part II ...... WayPt = 202`|w|' 4980ft)
Flowers and Monument Announce Montana State University.
A few days later when Sarah trotted by again she stopped and said, "I’m so happy you’re teaching Quality this quarter. Hardly anybody is these days."
"Well, I am," he said. "I’m definitely making a point of it."
"Good!" she said, and trotted on. .....

Three hours of sleep and he was so tired he knew he wouldn’t be up to giving a lecture that day, and besides, his notes had never been completed, so he wrote on the blackboard: "Write a 350-word essay answering the question, What is quality in thought and statement?" Then he sat by the radiator while they wrote and thought about quality himself. .....

Quality—you know what it is, yet you don’t know what it is. But that’s self-contradictory. But some things are better than others, that is, they have more quality. But when you try to say what the quality is, apart from the things that have it, it all goes poof! There’s nothing to talk about. But if you can’t say what Quality is, how do you know what it is, or how do you know that it even exists? If no one knows what it is, then for all practical purposes it doesn’t exist at all. But for all practical purposes it really does exist. What else are the grades based on? Why else would people pay fortunes for some things and throw others in the trash pile? Obviously some things are better than others—but what’s the "betterness"? -- So round and round you go, spinning mental wheels and nowhere finding anyplace to get traction. What the hell is Quality? What is it?

Southwest entrance, Montana State University, Bozeman, MT. END ZMM Part II.
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