Since I Have Not Yet Obtained a Photo, Please Imagine This Is In the Lodge.
“We sit down at a tableclothed table and order eggs, hot cakes, maple syrup, milk, sausages and orange juice. That cold wind has worked up an appetite. .. "I want to write a letter to Mom," Chris says. .. That sounds good to me. I go to the desk and get some of the lodge stationery. I bring it to Chris and give him my pen. That brisk morning air has given him some energy too. He puts the paper in front of him, grabs the pen in a heavy grip and then concentrates on the blank paper for a while. .. He looks up. "What day is it?" .. I tell him. He nods and writes it down. .. Then I see him write, "Dear Mom:" Then he stares at the paper for a while. .. Then he looks up. "What should I say?" .. I start to grin. I should have him write for an hour about one side of a coin. I’ve sometimes thought of him as a student but not as a rhetoric student. .. We’re interrupted by the hot cakes and I tell him to put the letter to one side and I’ll help him afterward. .. When we are done I sit smoking with a leaden feeling from the hot cakes and the eggs and everything and notice through the window that under the pines outside the ground is in patches of shadow and sunlight.”(Cont.Next) Lochsa Lodge, Lochsa River Canyon, ID. Soon I will have a photo of the New Lochsa Lodge. Kamlin Online March 8, 2001 stated,“Last week when the Lochsa Lodge burned to the ground many people lost an old friend.”
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Since I Have Not Yet Obtained a Photo, Please Imagine This Is the In the Restaurant.
“Chris brings out the paper again. "Now help me," he says. .. "Okay," I say. I tell him getting stuck is the commonest trouble of all. Usually, I say, your mind gets stuck when you’re trying to do too many things at once. What you have to do is try not to force words to come. That just gets you more stuck. What you have to do now is separate out the things and do them one at a time. You’re trying to think of what to say and what to say first at the same time and that’s too hard. So separate them out. Just make a list of all the things you want to say in any old order. Then later we’ll figure out the right order. .. "Like what things?" he asks. .. "Well, what do you want to tell her?" .. "About the trip." .. "What things about the trip?" .. He thinks for a while. "About the mountain we climbed." .. "Okay, write that down," I say.” Lochsa Lodge, Lochsa River Canyon, ID. Photos Needed: If you visit Lochsa Lodge Please tell them how nice it would be for their Lodge and Restaurant to be shown here!
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Looking Back Toward Lochsa Lodge.
“On the road down the canyon now we feel the steady drop of altitude by a popping of ears. It’s becoming warmer and the air is thicker too. It’s goodbye to the high country, which we’ve been more or less in since Miles City. .. Stuckness. That’s what I want to talk about today. .. Back on our trip out of Miles City you’ll remember I talked about how formal scientific method could be applied to the repair of a motorcycle through the study of chains of cause and effect and the application of experimental method to determine these chains. The purpose then was to show what was meant by classic rationality. .. Now I want to show that that classic pattern of rationality can be tremendously improved, expanded and made far more effective through the formal recognition of Quality in its operation. Before doing this, however, I should go over some of the negative aspects of traditional maintenance to show just where the problems are. .. The first is stuckness, a mental stuckness that accompanies the physical stuckness of whatever it is you’re working on. The same thing Chris was suffering from.“
Colgate Lick Rest Area, Lochsa River Canyon, ID.
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Suddenly the Trees “Open Up” and There Is Grass.
“What you’re up against is the great unknown, the void of all Western thought. You need some ideas, some hypotheses. Traditional scientific method, unfortunately, has never quite gotten around to say exactly where to pick up more of these hypotheses. Traditional scientific method has always been at the very best, 20-20 hindsight. It’s good for seeing where you’ve been. It’s good for testing the truth of what you think you know, but it can’t tell you where you ought to go, unless where you ought to go is a continuation of where you were going in the past. Creativity, originality, inventiveness, intuition, imagination—"unstuckness," in other words—are completely outside its domain. .. We continue down the canyon, past folds in the steep slopes where wide streams enter. We notice the river grows rapidly now as streams enlarge it. Turns in the road are less sharp here and straight stretches are longer. I move into the highest gear.“(Cont.Next)
Colgate Lick Rest Area, Lochsa River Canyon, ID.
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A Huge Forest Fire Burned Off This Whole Area Many Years Ago!
“Later the trees become scarce and spindly, with large areas of grass and underbrush between them. It’s too hot for the jacket and sweater so I stop at a roadside pulloff to remove them. .. “(Cont.Next)
Colgate Lick Rest Area, Lochsa River Canyon, ID. This is the only “open area” I remember as I drove the Lochsa River Canyon. The Narrator takes up “Stuckness“ and “Unstuckness“. This is leading up to and is really part of his “Gumptionology 101“. He later calls this type of Chautauqua ‘dry and boring’. Such material he reserves for lower elevations where it is hot or, as here, getting warm. Only the Gumptionology discussions are interrupted when they happen to go up to higher, cooler, elevations where there are forests and meadows. For the reader, these are welcomed breaks away from the “heavy discussion”. Start to notice this pattern.
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Continued: A Huge Forest Fire Burned Off This Whole Area Many Years Ago!
“Chris wants to go hiking up a trail and I let him, finding a small shady spot to sit back and rest. Just quiet now, and meditative. .. A display describes a fire burn that took place here years ago. According to the information the forest is filling in again but it will be years before it returns to its former condition.“(Cont.Next)
Colgate Lick Rest Area, Lochsa River Canyon, ID. I believe this is very probably the “fire burn“ area mentioned by the Narrator. Many thanks to Mr. Rick Parker of the Lochesa Ranger Station, U.S. National Forest Service, for this photo. You can see in my photos of this area, how very, very slowly the forest “returns to normal” in this area of low rainfall! This is possibly the sign seen by the Narrator, or a sign quite similar. The sign in this photo shows the various "burns" on the ridge opposite the river. Click here to see a panorama that includes the ridge shown in the sign. Attention: When the panorama comes up, click on the panorama to get the largest view.
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The Colgate Lick Rest Area Is the Site of An Interesting Old Hot Springs, Mineral Spring, That Has Left Minerals Attractive to Animals.
“Chris wants to go hiking up a trail and I let him, finding a small shady spot to sit back and rest. Just quiet now, and meditative.“(Cont.Next)
Colgate Lick Rest Area, Lochsa River Canyon, ID. There is more here that is interesting besides the Narrator's “fire burn“ area mentioned by the Narrator. Many thanks to Mr. Rick Parker of the Lochesa Ranger Station, National Forest Service, for this photo. More information about the Colgate Lick Rest Area or the Lochesa National Forest, may be found by an internet search on Google.
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This Gravel Trail Is Very Likely Chris’s Path Of Return.
“Later the crunch of gravel tells me Chris is coming back down the trail. He didn’t go very far. When he arrives he says, "Let’s go." We retie the pack, which has started to shift a little, and then move out on the highway. The sweat from sitting there cools suddenly from the wind. .. We’re still stuck on that screw and the only way it’s going to get unstuck is by abandoning further examination of the screw according to traditional scientific method. That won’t work. What we have to do is examine traditional scientific method in the light of that stuck screw. “(Cont.Next)
Colgate Lick Rest Area, Lochsa River Canyon, ID. Pay attention to the Narrator’s “We retie the pack, which has started to shift a little ...“and "sweat from sitting there cools suddenly … “. These poetically amplifies the Narrator's current "stuck screw“ Chautauqua. Readjusting the shifted pack and retying the load corresponds to re-evaluating, in a big way, how one looks at the "stuck screw“! And if one finally does achieve a new great solution to "stuck screw“, then this will be a nice "cools suddenly from the wind“!! So the shifting of the pack and need to re-tie, is telling us about the need for Quality, to refine and improve on the limitations of traditional scientific method. New topic: Chris did not go very far because the Narrator did not go with him. No fun. Had the Father gone with the Son, they might have both shared the discover the old mineral springs and salt lick mentioned in the previous photo! Apparently there all kinds of interesting animal tracks are there.
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As We Exit the Roadside Pull-off, We See More Evidence Of the Burned Off Forest!
“ …. and then move out on the highway. The sweat from sitting there cools suddenly from the wind. .. We’re still stuck on that screw and the only way it’s going to get unstuck is by abandoning further examination of the screw according to traditional scientific method. That won’t work. What we have to do is examine traditional scientific method in the light of that stuck screw. .. We have been looking at that screw "objectively." According to the doctrine of "objectivity," which is integral with traditional scientific method, what we like or don’t like about that screw has nothing to do with our correct thinking. We should not evaluate what we see. We should keep our mind a blank tablet which nature fills for us, and then reason disinterestedly from the facts we observe.“(Cont.Next)
Colgate Lick Rest Area, Lochsa River Canyon, ID.
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We Return Briefly To Civilization. Note Two Horses In Front of the Buildings.
“But when we stop and think about it disinterestedly, in terms of this stuck screw, we begin to see that this whole idea of disinterested observation is silly. Where are those facts? What are we going to observe disinterestedly? The torn slot? The immovable side cover plate? The color of the paint job? The speedometer? The sissy bar? As Poincaré would have said, there are an infinite number of facts about the motorcycle, and the right ones don’t just dance up and introduce themselves. The right facts, the ones we really need, are not only passive, they are damned elusive, and we’re not going to just sit back and "observe" them. We’re going to have to be in there looking for them or we’re going to be here a long time. Forever. As Poincaré pointed out, there must be a subliminal choice of what facts we observe.“(Cont.Next)
Lochsa River Canyon and Entrance to Lowell, ID.
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To Build Any Science, For Example Biology of These Very Complex Plants, What Facts Do You Choose?
“The difference between a good mechanic and a bad one, like the difference between a good mathematician and a bad one, is precisely this ability to select the good facts from the bad ones on the basis of quality. He has to care! This is an ability about which formal traditional scientific method has nothing to say. It’s long past time to take a closer look at this qualitative preselection of facts which has seemed so scrupulously ignored by those who make so much of these facts after they are "observed." I think that it will be found that a formal acknowledgment of the role of Quality in the scientific process doesn’t destroy the empirical vision at all. It expands it, strengthens it and brings it far closer to actual scientific practice.“(Cont.Next)
Lochsa River Canyon, Huge Parking Lot South of Lowell, ID. This passage well summarizes the processes of all sciences, and well indicates one of the many reasons why I requested my physics students read ZMM.
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Craftsmanship Is Destroyed By Objectivity.
“I think the basic fault that underlies the problem of stuckness is traditional rationality’s insistence upon "objectivity," a doctrine that there is a divided reality of subject and object. For true science to take place these must be rigidly separate from each other. "You are the mechanic. There is the motorcycle. You are forever apart from one another. You do this to it. You do that to it. These will be the results." .. This eternally dualistic subject-object way of approaching the motorcycle sounds right to us because we’re used to it. But it’s not right. It’s always been an artificial interpretation superimposed on reality. It’s never been reality itself. When this duality is completely accepted a certain nondivided relationship between the mechanic and motorcycle, a craftsmanlike feeling for the work, is destroyed. When traditional rationality divides the world into subjects and objects it shuts out Quality, and when you’re really stuck it’s Quality, not any subjects or objects, that tells you where you ought to go. .. By returning our attention to Quality it is hoped that we can get technological work out of the noncaring subject-object dualism and back into craftsmanlike self-involved reality again, which will reveal to us the facts we need when we are stuck.“(Cont.Next)
Lochsa River Canyon, Huge Parking Lot South of Lowell, ID.
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Despite the Complete Absence of Railroads In This Remote Area of Idaho, We Can Still Imagine The Narrator’s Railroad Train!
“In my mind now is an image of a huge, long railroad train, one of those 120-boxcar jobs that cross the prairies all the time with lumber and vegetables going east and with automobiles and other manufactured goods going west. I want to call this railroad train "knowledge" and subdivide in into two parts: Classic Knowledge and Romantic Knowledge. .. In terms of the analogy, Classic Knowledge, the knowledge taught by the Church of Reason, is the engine and all the boxcars. All of them and everything that’s in them. If you subdivide the train into parts you will find no Romantic Knowledge anywhere. And unless you’re careful it’s easy to make the presumption that’s all the train there is. This isn’t because Romantic Knowledge is nonexistent or even unimportant. It’s just that so far the definition of the train is static and purposeless. This was what I was trying to get at back in South Dakota when I talked about two whole dimensions of existence. It’s two whole ways of looking at the train.“(Cont.Next)
Lochsa River Canyon, Huge Parking Lot South of Lowell, ID.
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My Cutting Edge of Reality Encountered This Lush Vegetation by the Lochsa River. My Response Was the Four Photos You Have Just Seen.
“Romantic Quality, in terms of this analogy, isn’t any "part" of the train. It’s the leading edge of the engine, a two-dimensional surface of no real significance unless you understand that the train isn’t a static entity at all. A train really isn’t a train if it can’t go anywhere. In the process of examining the train and subdividing it into parts we’ve inadvertently stopped it, so that it really isn’t a train we are examining. That’s why we get stuck. .. The real train of knowledge isn’t a static entity that can be stopped and subdivided. It’s always going somewhere. On a track called Quality. And that engine and all those 120 boxcars are never going anywhere except where the track of Quality takes them; and romantic Quality, the leading edge of the engine, takes them along that track.“(Cont.Next)
Lochsa River Canyon, Huge Parking Lot South of Lowell, ID.
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These Whitewater Voyagers Must, Second By Second, React to Their Cutting Edge of Reality.
“Romantic reality is the cutting edge of experience. It’s the leading edge of the train of knowledge that keeps the whole train on the track. Traditional knowledge is only the collective memory of where that leading edge has been. At the leading edge there are no subjects, no objects, only the track of Quality ahead, and if you have no formal way of evaluating, no way of acknowledging this Quality, then the entire train has no way of knowing where to go. You don’t have pure reason—you have pure confusion. The leading edge is where absolutely all the action is. The leading edge contains all the infinite possibilities of the future. It contains all the history of the past. Where else could they be contained?“(Cont.Next)
Whitewater Lochsa River Canyon, ID.
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Standing On This Riverbank, I Was On My Quality Track Responding To My Preintellectual Awareness. My Resulting Intellectual Awareness Said, “Right Now, Press the Shutter Button”. Likewise, the People In This Raft, Pull Their Paddles, In Response To Their Preintellectual & Intellectual Awareness.
“The past cannot remember the past. The future can’t generate the future. The cutting edge of this instant right here and now is always nothing less than the totality of everything there is. .. Value, the leading edge of reality, is no longer an irrelevant offshoot of structure. Value is the predecessor of structure. It’s the preintellectual awareness that gives rise to it. Our structured reality is preselected on the basis of value, and really to understand structured reality requires an understanding of the value source from which it’s derived.“(Cont.Next)
Whitewater Lochsa River Canyon, ID.
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In This Pontoon Boat, the Captain’s Understanding of the River Is Modified From Minute To Minute As He Works the Paddles.
“One’s rational understanding of a motorcycle is therefore modified from minute to minute as one works on it …. “(Cont.Next)
Whitewater Lochsa River Canyon, ID.
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Reality Is, In Part, a Set of Ideas That Is Expected To Grow In Our Response To The Cutting Edge Reality, Century After Century.
“…. and sees that a new and different rational understanding has more Quality. One doesn’t cling to old sticky ideas because one has an immediate rational basis for rejecting them. Reality isn’t static anymore. It’s not a set of ideas you have to either fight or resign yourself to. It’s made up, in part, of ideas that are expected to grow as you grow, and as we all grow, century after century. With Quality as a central undefined term, reality is, in its essential nature, not static but dynamic. And when you really understand dynamic reality you never get stuck. It has forms but the forms are capable of change.“(Cont.Next)
Whitewater Lochsa River Canyon, ID.
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